Gayle Trotter on Hannity, Fox News Channel- February 5, 2013
Testimony date: January 30, 2013
Hannity = Sean Hannity
Trotter = Gayle Trotter
Whitehouse = Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Hannity: Conservative activist Gayle Trotter made a lot of people take notice during last week’s gun violence hearing on Capitol Hill, when she argued that it is women who are responsible for protecting their children. And they’re going to be the ones put at risk by the President’s anti-gun proposals.
Now here’s a bit of this very explosive testimony. Watch this.
Trotter : An assault weapon in the hands of a young woman, defending her babies in her home, becomes a defense weapon…. The peace of mind that she has, knowing that she has a scary-looking gun, gives her more courage when she is fighting hardened, violent criminals.
Whitehouse: She would clearly have an adequate ability to defend her family–
Trotter: How can you say that?
Whitehouse: – without the need for a 100-round piece of weaponry?
Trotter: How can you say that? You are a large man, and you are not a teenage…. a tall, tall man. You are not a young mother, who has a young child with her. And I am passionate about this position. Because you cannot understand. You are not a woman stuck in her house, having to defend her children, not able to leave her child, not able to go seek safety, on the phone with 911. And she cannot get the police there fast enough to protect her child.
Hannity: Okay, so how is the President’s unconstitutional gun grab affect the ability of mothers, women, to protect their children?
Joining me now to explain all of this, from the Independent Women’s Forum, is Gayle Trotter herself. It’s very, very nice to meet you. You tore it up. I mean, even the crowd was getting involved. Were you surprised by the reaction you got?
Trotter: I was surprised by the reaction, but I was really delighted. Because I think this view is not something that the media is covering. I think it’s something that people haven’t really considered, and I really wanted to speak to women about this very important Constitutional right. And explain to them the cases. I had an Appendix which had twenty-one examples of women defending themselves against violent attack with firearms.
Hannity: This is the one thing that I’m proud of on this show that we’ve done, that most others in the media have not done. And we’ve been highlighting a lot of the cases of people defending themselves. The most recent case is that woman in Georgia: guy breaks into her house, she goes up into the crawlspace with her twins, she’s shaking, she has a revolver. And that saves their lives potentially.
Trotter: That’s right. And my critics criticize what I said, because what I said was there could be multiple attackers, I said there could be babies, children in the background. And no one who criticized me bothered to read my Appendix. In my Appendix, I have an example of a woman who was attacked by five armed intruders. I had an example where a woman defended her child from being kidnapped. I had multiple examples of women with babies, with young children, trying to defend themselves. And so no one who criticized me bothered to read the written testimony that I submitted to the Senate.
Hannity: It seemed like they were shocked. And you did make a good point. Generally speaking, obviously exceptions, men are physically stronger than women–
Trotter: Right, right.
Hannity: –maybe perhaps have a bit of a physical advantage. A man breaks into your home, you’ve got children to protect, you’re a sitting duck.
Trotter: And you can’t leave, and what are your options? You can scream, you can run away.
Hannity: Nobody will hear you in your house.
Trotter: They won’t. And in many of my examples, the women that example [sic] were playing by the safety playbook. They had called 911, and 911 could not respond fast enough.
Hannity: And that is a problem.
Give me some of the other examples you brought, that obviously they didn’t pay attention to.
Trotter: Another example was of a woman at a school, stopping one of these mass killings. Who knows what would have happened? And that’s something that my critics have used against me. They say that I’m fantasizing things that could happen. And that’s like arguing the negative. I can’t prove what would have happened because it stopped. And we want things to be stopped before we have these mass killings, or women or children who are violently attacked.
Hannity: We now have a law in New York where you can’t have more than seven bullets–
Trotter: Yes, I’m familiar with that.
Hannity: –in a magazine. Okay. Now, in some of those examples, the woman in Georgia shot this guy and miraculously, considering the circumstances– because I’m a marksman and you don’t know how you’re going to react when that moment comes– she hit him five times. He still walked out of that house. And they keep arguing: How many bullets do you need? And my answer would be: as many as necessary.
Trotter: That’s right. And Senator Whitehouse said, “Wouldn’t the shotgun be adequate for any woman?” And my question for him is: Are we really looking at what’s adequate for a woman? Shouldn’t a woman be able to defend herself with all the means necessary?
In DC versus Heller, the case that the Supreme Court decided, the idea is that you can have what’s commonly available. AR-15s are commonly available. There are over three million in circulation in the United States.
Hannity: I have two. But one of the things about the AR-15 is that it is a weapon that is easily handed by people.
Trotter: Yes. That’s right.
Hannity: And it doesn’t have a lot of kick.
Trotter: And this doesn’t just affect women. I also put in my Appendix people who were elderly. They probably wouldn’t want to be called that way, but you know, they’re 68, 77 years old. That also affects the vulnerable, not just women. I was looking at it from women’s perspective, but also the elderly.
Hannity: How do you juxtapose this issue with the whole, liberal Obama narrative during the campaign: that there was a Republican “war on women”?
Trotter: It’s the opposite, it’s the opposite. I think we all– left and right, this isn’t a partisan issue– I think everyone wants a safer society. So when you start trying to put people into groups, and you don’t actually look at the effects of the legislation that’s being propose, you harm everyone.
Hannity: What do you think ultimately comes out of this? Do you think– because you were up on Capitol Hill, you spoke to a lot of these Senators and Congressmen– do you think it passes?
Trotter: I don’t. And I think that women will not surrender their very important, fundamental Constitutional rights so easily.
Hannity: I’ve got to tell you, I’ve watched a lot of moments where people testify and you just really handed it to them. And that’s why I think a lot of people were cheering you. It’s very, very nice to meet you. Congratulations.
Trotter: Thank you.
Hannity: And that took a lot of guts for you to do that. Thank you.
Trotter: Thank you for having me.
You can read a transcript of her complete Senate testimony statement here.
(Hat tip R. Stacy McCain)